Curse

JR · Mar 02, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by morikal

Does anyone know how mind wrack works with this? ie: if you have 4 energy and switch to a set that has 10 less max, you drop to -6 and are still regenning. Now lets say while your still negative a mes throws mind wrack on you. Does it trigger immediately? Does it trigger once you get out of negatives and hit 0? Does the mes have to cast another energy draining spell on you (which wouldn't drain any energy since your negative) to trigger the mind wrack?

You are at 6 energy for example, and then switch to your -17 energy set so you have negative 11 energy. A mesmer then throws Mind Wrack on you. It will not trigger any damage untill you regen to 1, and then go BACK to 0.

morikal · Mar 02, 2006, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Sounds kinda broken to me then, since mind wrack is there to punish someone for not having any/enough energy to drain away

wheel · Mar 02, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by morikal

Sounds kinda broken to me then, since mind wrack is there to punish someone for not having any/enough energy to drain away

Mind Wrack is more effective with the boon of people using focus swapping. It punishes people for swapping weapons to prevent losing the energy to energy denial, which in turn causes the team to lose net energy for to heal the Mind Wrack damage.

Mind Wrack should trigger, however, if it hits you while you have negative energy, but it doesn't. It's a bug with the description of the trigger. AFAIK, it triggers when energy hits zero approaching from the positive side. It does nothing IIRC when it goes on when energy is already below zero or hits zero from the negative side.

JR · Mar 02, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by wheel

Mind Wrack is more effective with the boon of people using focus swapping. It punishes people for swapping weapons to prevent losing the energy to energy denial, which in turn causes the team to lose net energy for to heal the Mind Wrack damage.

Mind Wrack should trigger, however, if it hits you while you have negative energy, but it doesn't. It's a bug with the description of the trigger. AFAIK, it triggers when energy hits zero approaching from the positive side. It does nothing IIRC when it goes on when energy is already below zero or hits zero from the negative side.

A skill description that isn't quite accurate? Dear god no!

Valerria · Mar 04, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

The description says whenever your energy reaches 0 you take damage. Obviously it was not designed so that if cast on a 0 energy target the target will immediately take damage. There has to be a process of reaching 0 energy from another amount.

arredondo · Mar 04, 2006, 06:23 AM // 06:23

Mind Wrack dishes out the punishment on focus switchers everytime. My e-denial builds always have MW worked in partly for this reason. It's cheap, recharges super fast, and takes about 20% damage on anyone willing to dip to 0E... it actually saves ME energy from not having to burn it all from them. Focus switching is effective, but not perfect.

Dralspire · Mar 09, 2006, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Time to contribute a picture ... while it shows a monk, it certainly applies to all caster classes:

I should probably mention that the scroll gives me -2 energy because I don't meet the requirement. If you like the idea of a shield as suggested by the OP, I would look at the gingerbread/peppermint shield (10 armor, no requirements). This would provide 5 more armor than the scroll. Last but not least, options 64+5 and 79 are really just the last lines of defense. I only use them for casting energy management spells or lifesavers, but I drop down to option 30 or 49 right after for the extra energy regeneration. The same would certainly apply to the other caster classes: energy regeneration is a caster's best friend.

JR · Mar 09, 2006, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Excellent picture Dral, hopefully that should make it a bit easier for people to understand.

Elurian · Mar 09, 2006, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Where did you pick up that blue holy rod I can't find it in the wiki's listing of collectors rewards and I've been through all of the quests looking at the listed rewards and haven't seen that holy rod :/ any idea of where you acquired it?

Dralspire · Mar 09, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by Elurian

Where did you pick up that blue holy rod ... any idea of where you acquired it?

Hehe, I may be old, but I still have a good mouse-click finger ...

http://www.guildwiki.org/wiki/Lady_Engelram

Elurian · Mar 09, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

-.- I thought I had been through all the collectors my fault and thanks

Esuna · Mar 13, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

AGH. This may be slightly off topic but I seem absolutely unable to find people wanting to sell crappy -5E weapons. Are there blackmarkets where I can buy those from? Or does this mean I have to actually pay loads for a seemy decent one? I notice Dralspire uses a rare weapon too, AND it's customized? I don't want to leave a hole in my pocket just for hiding energy in PvP...

Dralspire · Mar 13, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Well, click here for the search "-5" on auctions. While this also shows high value items, -50 health focus items, and -5 damage shields, you should find at least a few -5 energy weapons that are not too overpriced.

mariano · Mar 20, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by JR-

Energy Denial
If you unequip a focus at low energy, you will drop down into a negative current energy. While negative your energy still regenerates and degenerates as normal.

What about Ether Lord energy degeneration, say if having negative energy and -3 energy degeneration energy will regenerate at +1 if you are a caster? and if having 0 energy and -3 energy degeneration energy will still degenerate if you are a warrior becoming negative? By its definition Ether Lord, contrary to Malaise, does not end!

JR · Mar 20, 2006, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by mariano

What about Ether Lord energy degeneration, say if having negative energy and -3 energy degeneration energy will regenerate at +1 if you are a caster? and if having 0 energy and -3 energy degeneration energy will still degenerate if you are a warrior becoming negative? By its definition Ether Lord, contrary to Malaise, does not end!

But if you swap down to your negative energy set, you will save some of your energy pool. Ether Lord does not end on 0 energy, however neither can it drain negative energy.

Mage Henchnem · Mar 20, 2006, 07:45 PM // 19:45

I didn't realize that this was a secret or, should I say not common knowledge, I usually keep 2 +15/-1 Items in my secondary slot while monking and switch to use OOB or infuse, then immediatly switch back. E-denial is a pain in the butt, but can easily be countered, as long as the whole team in on the same sheet of music. A monks healing effectiveness will be reduced with good E-denail but not shut down. Most e-denial is on the lower side of dmg, but without heals it doesn't take long to kill a denied team. The only think about focus swapping is that it isn't very effective on a bonder.

the slasher · Jun 06, 2009, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I've been using set swatching since i first began playing GW, never saw it as a secret, just like mage henchenem said.

I highly reccomend this, however, for the reasons everyone has said. I've been using it lately alot in UWsc, because of the "Fear Me" spike of grasping darknesses at the chamber and vale, if you are a vale assassin. after locking them behind the house, i immediately switch to my scythe (20% ench in case u need to recast sf, though it's risky). With my staff, i usually had 71 max energie (with cons), while with my scythe, i get 51. in case i get spiked to 0 almost before recast sf, i can swatch to my staff, and get 20 energie (and i only neeed 25 energie for sf+deadly paradox).

Just thought of mentioning it in case it happens to you vale sins of getting spiked and getting very low on energie